This is part 2 of 2.

Preston Jones of St. Louis Missouri writes this:

When my mom comes home from school, she is covered in bites, scrapes and bruises from the behavior disorder/ learning disabled high school class she teaches. If she reports a kid, they send a person to her room to tell her what SHE is doing to cause these little [jerks] to hit her.

Almost every time I go out to my moms house she has got some kind of injury and it has gotten to the point that reporting the injury to the proper authorities is a bigger pain in the a– than going to the doctor. If she reports an injury and it is contested by a parent, she not only has to go through piles of paperwork for weeks (obviously after work) but she could gain the title of an “accused teacher” even if she is cleared, an “accused” teacher is as much of a “risk” to a school district as a teacher that actually hit a kid so then she would loose her job after 35 years of being a good, caring teacher. At this point, i wonder what kind of person would actually WANT to go to school to be a teacher.

So, while school district administration is generally liberal in their world view, it is OK to treat teachers like garbage and BLAME THE VICTIM. Wasn’t that a rallying cry to defend rape victims and not blame them? I guess for teachers it is different. Very sad.

Michael Babbage of Seoul, Korea had this to say:

If a student ever threw punch at a teacher at my school here in Korea, he/she would not survive the results.

I imagine that it is the culture with student retribution, hopefully not the teachers killing students. Take it as you will.

“Keapon” from Florida notes that teachers are punished for doing too well:

Seriously though, our education system is royally screwed. She has to listen to people who literally say, if your class is doing too well, you’re doing something wrong. If you think that is an exaggeration, talk to a teacher. The current system rewards failure and actively punishes success.

Calling evil, good and good, evil.

Adam Smouchier from the Philadelphia area makes these observations:

As for the schools, the one thing I hate about the liberal sort in local gov’t is their willingness to experiment on the poor. Gov’t housing, for example, was a total failure — it destroyed poor-yet-repectable neighborhoods and created towers full of isolated, angry poor people.

The same with schools. We took time-tested schooling principles and replaced them with “state-of-the-art” pedagogy and it ruined them. Kids need discipline, especially if they aren’t getting it home. They need to learn to read, write, and add. And, if they are not academically suited, they should be taught a trade.

Government solutions are not working, they never really have when it comes to problems with values and instilling the right ones. It works better when they just get out of the way.

“dfenstrate” of New Hampshire writes:

My take on why public schools suck, much of it repeated from this thread:

1. Parents who don’t care that their children are actually educated. (including those who don’t care at all, and those who call the lawyers over a ‘C.’

2. High barrier to entry into the teaching profession- the requirement of years of formal ‘education’ schooling when a few weeks vocational classes + a BS/BA in the subject matter should be enough.

3. Requirement to take all comers and pretend to do something with them. Many thoroughly disabled kids in SpEd are just draining public resources with no bonafide development of the student.

4.Tied to #3, the inability to eject continually disruptive students.

5. The inability to discharge children early who have learned all the required material, or are incapable of learning further material. Ex: My brother, due to Development Disabilities, never got much beyond basic arithmetic and 5th grade reading. He was still in public schools until he was 21, at tremendous public cost and no benefit to him.

6. Too much administrative overhead- much of it driven by federal requirements and the need to protect yourself from lawsuit-happy parents.

7. The defective basic design of the public school system. All students of a particular age are treated the same, even though the cruel role of genetics and parentage have put them ahead or behind their age peers.
For a full discourse, read The seven lesson school teacher.

8. Tied in with 7, there’s the defective social environment of public schools. Read Why nerds are unpopular for more. The petty intrigues of public school kids look like a prison system or high society wives.

9. Money. Okay, I’m kidding about this one. There’s tons of money in the school systems and most of it is wasted in relation to 1- 8.

The solution? Short story: The willingness to be cold and hard, with a path for redemption later.

The cold and hard part: Toss out kids who won’t or can’t learn anything more in public schools. No ‘alternate’ education at 3x the normal cost, just out . . . for their parents to deal with. No free daycare for your incapacitated or eternally disruptive child. Not yours. Slow kids are kept in classes that match their ability. The younger kids in such classes are kept from mocking their slow bretheren through discipline.

The redemption: Bad kids get to try again every year. Adults may choose to attend free GED classes where no BS is tolerated and their attendance is a privilege.

Keep the useless kids away from those that have hope. When the trouble makers realize that education is a good idea, the door will be open.

Without introducing religion again (not A religion, just the traditional values 95% of society holds dear), this seems to be one of the best solutions to the problem. Please read the last two links, as well as this one.

The thing is, administrators know this and don’t want to fix it. They want to have government indoctrination and day care (compulsory education) to enable productive citizens to keep working nobly for the good of the country.

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